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	<title>Comments on: Corruption At DMOZ: Trouble Brewing At The Open Directory Project</title>
	<link>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/</link>
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		<title>By: Anony mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-232</link>
		<author>Anony mouse</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-232</guid>
		<description>dmoz is a corrupt POS that will not increase your web site's ranking or traffic.  That is, unless you consider 30 or 40 visitors/month serious traffic... It will, however, increase your link popularity by a few thousand, keeping in mind that all these links are at dmoz dupe sites which for the most part get absolutely NO traffic and the few that do get traffic, please don't let the thought excite you.

For all the hooplah, one might think a site would gain hundreds (really thousands would be right) of fresh monthly visitors, but no.
The ODP is a complete waste of time, the only thing cracks me up is how the corrupt editors think they're getting ahead.  If being corrupt paid, we'd all be doing it.  A few might get ahead but most get skru'd and even the few that make a little out of it, I will see them in hell to whip out their punishment until the second coming.
I must admit in the end, I really like how the world deals out its own justice, humans really are not as dumb as the editors think.

p.s.:  I have nothing to do with mouse.com, I am leaving this anonymously because I want no flashbacks, and thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dmoz is a corrupt POS that will not increase your web site&#8217;s ranking or traffic.  That is, unless you consider 30 or 40 visitors/month serious traffic&#8230; It will, however, increase your link popularity by a few thousand, keeping in mind that all these links are at dmoz dupe sites which for the most part get absolutely NO traffic and the few that do get traffic, please don&#8217;t let the thought excite you.</p>
<p>For all the hooplah, one might think a site would gain hundreds (really thousands would be right) of fresh monthly visitors, but no.<br />
The ODP is a complete waste of time, the only thing cracks me up is how the corrupt editors think they&#8217;re getting ahead.  If being corrupt paid, we&#8217;d all be doing it.  A few might get ahead but most get skru&#8217;d and even the few that make a little out of it, I will see them in hell to whip out their punishment until the second coming.<br />
I must admit in the end, I really like how the world deals out its own justice, humans really are not as dumb as the editors think.</p>
<p>p.s.:  I have nothing to do with mouse.com, I am leaving this anonymously because I want no flashbacks, and thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-153</link>
		<author>Johnny</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-153</guid>
		<description>papajoe is e very good example
corrupt editors do exists and when caught they get deleted like papajoe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>papajoe is e very good example<br />
corrupt editors do exists and when caught they get deleted like papajoe</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Shah</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-151</link>
		<author>Priya Shah</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-151</guid>
		<description>Thanks very much for sharing your experiences, papajoe. Now that Google has implemented TrustRank, I feel that a DMOZ listing could become even more important for a good ranking in Google. Maybe if they start a paid inclusion program and start paying their volunteer editors it would help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for sharing your experiences, papajoe. Now that Google has implemented TrustRank, I feel that a DMOZ listing could become even more important for a good ranking in Google. Maybe if they start a paid inclusion program and start paying their volunteer editors it would help.</p>
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		<title>By: papajoe</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-150</link>
		<author>papajoe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-150</guid>
		<description>The biggest fraud on the Internet DMOZ/ODP

DMOZ is a good idea, but poorly implemented. Yes, right. The USSR also was a good idea, but poorly implemented. DMOZ is a corrupt idea and that is the reason we are reading stories about corruption within the ODP, not because some bad guys got into DMOZ and hijacked it. The corrupt idea brought about the corrupt culture and the corrupt culture does not tolerate decent editors. A fish is getting rotten from the head, not from the tail. 

DMOZ is a small but a very accurate replica of the USSR. In the USSR people had a right for a free medical care, free education and free shelter. In exchange people agreed to relinquish freedom of choice, rule of law, right for a reasonable standard of living and agreed to the rule of the nomenclature. DMOZ is exactly that - a closed old boyâ€™s club with the lack of transparency and public accountability and absolute intolerance to any dissenting opinion. The club run by the nomenclature of meta editors. The stakes are high the public accountability and transparency are low or non existent. Why ? Because it was conceived that way. Free is bad, one has to pay for everything in his or her life and demand quality for his or her money. That is why capitalism is a better alternative to anything else. 

Free means â€˜not enough for everyoneâ€™. Free means â€˜no freedom of choiceâ€™. Free is an invitation for abuse. Because as long as something is free, someone in the nomenclature has to decide who, when and how much will get of this free stuff. The same applies to DMOZ. 

I have been editing since 1999. The stories told on www.corruptdmozeditor.com are only the tip of the iceberg. Here is an example. The meta editor for my category is Aaron Larson who is a lawyer from Michigan www.a2lawyer.com . He is particularly keen on eliminating second listings. In his view the company can have only one website and one listing in one category, period. Even if the sites a company has are distinctly different, he will eliminate the second listing. DMOZ does not encourage second sites but does not prohibit them either. So, it the discretion of a meta editor what to do. Well, lets see how Aaron treats his own sites:

Open Directory Sites (1-5 of 5) 
1. ExpertLaw - Articles on a variety of legal subjects.
-- http://www.expertlaw.com/library/ Society: Law: Legal Information (2) 
2. ExpertLaw - Directory of expert witnesses, litigation support services, and private investigators, also providing legal information for experts and attorneys.
-- http://www.expertlaw.com/ Society: Law: Services: Directories (1) 
3. ExpertLaw - Directory of expert witnesses organized by area of practice and location.
-- http://www.expertlaw.com/experts/ Society: Law: Services: Expert Witnesses: Directories (1) 
4. ExpertLaw - Find a private investigator or related service, by specialty and location.
-- http://www.expertlaw.com/investigators/ Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Investigation: Directories (1) 
5. ExpertLaw Forums - Public discussion forums on a wide range of legal issues.
-- http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/ Society: Law: Legal Information: Chats and Forums (1)

Open Directory Sites (1-2 of 2) 
1. Aaron Larson - Ann Arbor attorney specializing in civil litigation and appeals, as well as motion drafting services. Includes articles.
-- http://www.a2lawyer.com/ Society: Law: Services: Lawyers and Law Firms: Appeals and Writs: North America: United States: Michigan (1) 
2. Aaron Larson - Representing clients for civil litigation and appeals, and offering motion drafting and appellate services to attorneys. Articles on a variety of legal subjects.
-- http://www.a2lawyer.com/ Regional: North America: United States: Michigan: Localities: A: Ann Arbor: Business and Economy: Legal Services: Attorneys and Law Firms (1)


I am currently editing 7 directories under different names. This is the only way to ensure that when some metascam decides to wipe me out to take in his or her friend, I will not be eliminated. I made a decision to go stealth when a friend of mine run into a problem with another meta editor Oneeye (Paul) who handles even bigger chunk of DMOZ http://dmoz.org/profiles/oneeye.html and for the argument with him my friendâ€™s login was cancelled. 

The Open Directory Project is as â€˜openâ€™ as Korean Democratic Peopleâ€™s Republic is a â€˜democracyâ€™. 

If you are editing multilevel directories with multinational responsibilities as I do, one day you are upto a surprise. You are logging in to your directory and are not able to recognize it. Everything has been changed â€“ website descriptions have been stripped off important keywords, anchor text has been modified and, the last but not the least, one site has been introduced on highest level (continental) with no reason whatsoever. All the changes were made by one of the meta editors and all were made just to disguise the introduction of this new website. 

If you are new to DMOZ and do not know how the things are working here, you would write to the meta editor and express your concern. This is a bad move, because you most likely would get a very angry reply saying do not ever touch this website or else. Again, if you are new to DMOZ and do not understand how the things are working her, you might decide to post your concerns in the editorsâ€™ forum asking for help. This is even worse move then the first one. This is a serious mutiny in the ranks that ought to be dealt promptly and brutally. Within minutes your login is cancelled and your post in the forum is deleted. 

From this point on you are nonexistent to DMOZ. You cannot communicate with DMOZ through abuse@dmoz.org and staff@dmoz.org because these addresses only accept correspondence from those who are on the approved list. Your login has been cancelled and you have been removed from the list. You could use their public abuse form, but it does not work (what a surprise). This is the point when you realize you need multiple logins to survive in the rotten place with rotten culture like DMOZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest fraud on the Internet DMOZ/ODP</p>
<p>DMOZ is a good idea, but poorly implemented. Yes, right. The USSR also was a good idea, but poorly implemented. DMOZ is a corrupt idea and that is the reason we are reading stories about corruption within the ODP, not because some bad guys got into DMOZ and hijacked it. The corrupt idea brought about the corrupt culture and the corrupt culture does not tolerate decent editors. A fish is getting rotten from the head, not from the tail. </p>
<p>DMOZ is a small but a very accurate replica of the USSR. In the USSR people had a right for a free medical care, free education and free shelter. In exchange people agreed to relinquish freedom of choice, rule of law, right for a reasonable standard of living and agreed to the rule of the nomenclature. DMOZ is exactly that - a closed old boyâ€™s club with the lack of transparency and public accountability and absolute intolerance to any dissenting opinion. The club run by the nomenclature of meta editors. The stakes are high the public accountability and transparency are low or non existent. Why ? Because it was conceived that way. Free is bad, one has to pay for everything in his or her life and demand quality for his or her money. That is why capitalism is a better alternative to anything else. </p>
<p>Free means â€˜not enough for everyoneâ€™. Free means â€˜no freedom of choiceâ€™. Free is an invitation for abuse. Because as long as something is free, someone in the nomenclature has to decide who, when and how much will get of this free stuff. The same applies to DMOZ. </p>
<p>I have been editing since 1999. The stories told on <a href="http://www.corruptdmozeditor.com" rel="nofollow">www.corruptdmozeditor.com</a> are only the tip of the iceberg. Here is an example. The meta editor for my category is Aaron Larson who is a lawyer from Michigan <a href="http://www.a2lawyer.com" rel="nofollow">www.a2lawyer.com</a> . He is particularly keen on eliminating second listings. In his view the company can have only one website and one listing in one category, period. Even if the sites a company has are distinctly different, he will eliminate the second listing. DMOZ does not encourage second sites but does not prohibit them either. So, it the discretion of a meta editor what to do. Well, lets see how Aaron treats his own sites:</p>
<p>Open Directory Sites (1-5 of 5)<br />
1. ExpertLaw - Articles on a variety of legal subjects.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.expertlaw.com/library/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expertlaw.com/library/</a> Society: Law: Legal Information (2)<br />
2. ExpertLaw - Directory of expert witnesses, litigation support services, and private investigators, also providing legal information for experts and attorneys.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.expertlaw.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expertlaw.com/</a> Society: Law: Services: Directories (1)<br />
3. ExpertLaw - Directory of expert witnesses organized by area of practice and location.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.expertlaw.com/experts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expertlaw.com/experts/</a> Society: Law: Services: Expert Witnesses: Directories (1)<br />
4. ExpertLaw - Find a private investigator or related service, by specialty and location.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.expertlaw.com/investigators/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expertlaw.com/investigators/</a> Business: Business Services: Fire and Security: Security: Investigation: Directories (1)<br />
5. ExpertLaw Forums - Public discussion forums on a wide range of legal issues.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/</a> Society: Law: Legal Information: Chats and Forums (1)</p>
<p>Open Directory Sites (1-2 of 2)<br />
1. Aaron Larson - Ann Arbor attorney specializing in civil litigation and appeals, as well as motion drafting services. Includes articles.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.a2lawyer.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.a2lawyer.com/</a> Society: Law: Services: Lawyers and Law Firms: Appeals and Writs: North America: United States: Michigan (1)<br />
2. Aaron Larson - Representing clients for civil litigation and appeals, and offering motion drafting and appellate services to attorneys. Articles on a variety of legal subjects.<br />
&#8211; <a href="http://www.a2lawyer.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.a2lawyer.com/</a> Regional: North America: United States: Michigan: Localities: A: Ann Arbor: Business and Economy: Legal Services: Attorneys and Law Firms (1)</p>
<p>I am currently editing 7 directories under different names. This is the only way to ensure that when some metascam decides to wipe me out to take in his or her friend, I will not be eliminated. I made a decision to go stealth when a friend of mine run into a problem with another meta editor Oneeye (Paul) who handles even bigger chunk of DMOZ <a href="http://dmoz.org/profiles/oneeye.html" rel="nofollow">http://dmoz.org/profiles/oneeye.html</a> and for the argument with him my friendâ€™s login was cancelled. </p>
<p>The Open Directory Project is as â€˜openâ€™ as Korean Democratic Peopleâ€™s Republic is a â€˜democracyâ€™. </p>
<p>If you are editing multilevel directories with multinational responsibilities as I do, one day you are upto a surprise. You are logging in to your directory and are not able to recognize it. Everything has been changed â€“ website descriptions have been stripped off important keywords, anchor text has been modified and, the last but not the least, one site has been introduced on highest level (continental) with no reason whatsoever. All the changes were made by one of the meta editors and all were made just to disguise the introduction of this new website. </p>
<p>If you are new to DMOZ and do not know how the things are working here, you would write to the meta editor and express your concern. This is a bad move, because you most likely would get a very angry reply saying do not ever touch this website or else. Again, if you are new to DMOZ and do not understand how the things are working her, you might decide to post your concerns in the editorsâ€™ forum asking for help. This is even worse move then the first one. This is a serious mutiny in the ranks that ought to be dealt promptly and brutally. Within minutes your login is cancelled and your post in the forum is deleted. </p>
<p>From this point on you are nonexistent to DMOZ. You cannot communicate with DMOZ through <a href="mailto:abuse@dmoz.org">abuse@dmoz.org</a> and <a href="mailto:staff@dmoz.org">staff@dmoz.org</a> because these addresses only accept correspondence from those who are on the approved list. Your login has been cancelled and you have been removed from the list. You could use their public abuse form, but it does not work (what a surprise). This is the point when you realize you need multiple logins to survive in the rotten place with rotten culture like DMOZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy Ames</title>
		<link>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-22</link>
		<author>Tammy Ames</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketingslave.com/2005/05/30/corruption-at-dmoz-trouble-brewing-at-the-open-directory-project/#comment-22</guid>
		<description>I find the entire concept of DMOZ being a human edited directory of quality sites gives the impression that top notch editors with high standards and integrity will ensure that websites in the DMOZ are what they say they are ~ but I agree that something major is amiss as I know an editor that is a person of integrity that has fought the battle without winning.  Tammy
http://wahmconnections.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the entire concept of DMOZ being a human edited directory of quality sites gives the impression that top notch editors with high standards and integrity will ensure that websites in the DMOZ are what they say they are ~ but I agree that something major is amiss as I know an editor that is a person of integrity that has fought the battle without winning.  Tammy<br />
<a href="http://wahmconnections.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://wahmconnections.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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